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Post by HiTemp on May 18, 2015 18:42:12 GMT -7
I've been following this story in the news yet I haven't heard any investigator or journalist address the question of "Why there?" What is the reason this was triggered (forgive the pun) in Waco as opposed to, say, LA or NYC or Miami? I'm hearing that there were 5 different gangs involved and there is some reasons to believe some of the five were acting in conjunction or partnership with others, apparently for reasons of more efficiently carrying out retribution upon those they were opposed to. I'm just wondering why they happened to pick a Hooters-like restaurant in Waco rather than one of the numerous west coast Bike festivals where they all attend? What was it that demanded the immediacy of this particular event? There had to be some major planning for this among all five groups since the cops knew about it weeks ago and have been sitting on the powder keg waiting for sparks.
I realize these bikers in particular were not the brightest bulbs in the circuit, but for gosh sakes what made 'em think doing this kind of stuff in TEXAS of all places wasn't going to bring a lot of pain and misery (not to mention lead) their way? I just don't get it.
How'd you like to be the newby in that county prosecutor's office - knowing you're going to spend the next two years on biker cases with charges ranging from weapons possession to drugs to APH (all-purpose hooliganism)?
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Post by Grug - American Neanderthal on May 19, 2015 7:26:18 GMT -7
Well, I am not an outlaw biker, but I did watch all of Sons of Anarchy, which makes me an expert.  They pick the out of the way towns, but on major highways for the storage and distribution. From what I gathered apparently one gang had controlled the territory around Waco for a long while, and the rival gangs had been acting like contractors, but instead were moving in wanting more control, and this was supposed to be a meeting to settle it before it became a war. Diplomacy just doesn't work if one or both sides are just going to use force anyway. Maybe just move them out to the open prairie and let them fight it out and save the money on prosecutions. |
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Post by HiTemp on May 19, 2015 14:52:49 GMT -7
Well, I am not an outlaw biker, but I did watch all of Sons of Anarchy, which makes me an expert. Find someone to watch the cows because you need to get down to Pensacola and clean some coffee off my monitor.   Dang that was funny! Sons of Anarchy. Apparently the biker diplomatic corps is about as effective as our national diplomatic corps with exception that the bikers actually did something. |
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Post by Grug - American Neanderthal on May 20, 2015 6:01:09 GMT -7
I heard it was started over dispute about parking and someone got their foot ran over. I don't know, sounds just like the UN to me.
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Post by HiTemp on May 20, 2015 13:41:28 GMT -7
I'm waiting for CNN or MSNBC to find someone who'll say it had to do with the Cossacks getting federal Obamacare subsidies while the Banditos had been denied same. Predictions that the violence will not stop unless Justice Kennedy rolls the liberal dice this time.
I was reading a little more today about the 170 people arrested on RICO charges and I perused the TX state penal code on racketeering. I have a strong suspicion the prosecutors are going to have their hands full trying to prove 170 people conspired to commit a criminal act when that act was spontaneous, reactionary, and limited at least in the beginning to a handful of participants. One of the defenses that can be used by those charged is that they were unaware or did not profit from any planned criminal activity (and it goes on to list the possible types of activity, basically all the major crimes-against-persons type felonies).
How on earth are they going to prove that someone sat down ahead of time and planned to run over some guys foot in order to get him to start a brawl in the men's room where they could take it out of control? How will they sort out the guys who are going to say, "Hey, I was just sitting there drinking a cold one and watching the golf channel when some asshat took a swing at me, so I defended myself in hand-to-hand combat as is my right to protect myself from harm. I didn't know this was going to happen, all I went there for was the cold brew and some wings with the fellas. I wasn't there to cause anyone any problem and only got involved after getting blindsided by a knuckle sandwich.
Now some of these bikers were proned out by police in the parking lot and others were calmly sitting down chatting up the cops. I can sure imagine some defense attorney establishing that his client 1)was involved in some aspect of fighting, 2)it was self defense, and 3)stopped and sat calmly as soon as the PD showed up. That wouldn't sound like the actions of the Gambino crime family to me if I was a juror.
I could understand maybe charging a dozen or two with this, but all 170? I just don't see them all getting convicted. Maybe it's just their way of trying to squeeze until one of them decides it's in their best interest to spill his guts. I don't see that happening with this bunch. It would pretty much be a death sentence to rat out a brother, and these guys have the reputation for tracking people down with far more vigor than any mafia snitch ever got.
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