A real minority opinion on the Ferguson riots

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And by minority I'm speaking of minority opinion, not minority as it applies to race.

This video got something like a quarter million views in two days. What struck me about it was how remarkably similar his message is to the messages of Rev. Dr. King. King certainly wanted society to change but the way he saw it happening most effectively was for blacks to change, and through that change lead the rest of society, to use King's words, "into the promised land."

Bill Cosby was excoriated for delivering much the same message a few years ago. Striking, isn't it, that the people who have had no problem coming from a lower middle class family and rising to great success, requiring NO help from special programs or more lenient standards, all seem to be giving the same formula to lead to effective change: change yourself.

Here's the video. He gets a bit mocking in some parts, but it's mocking things that need to be mocked because they are truly a joke.

Have a look:

[Grug - American Neanderthal]

Its not going to happen, too much money in the race hate industry shakedowns, too much power gained by govt keeping a permanent under class of minority, too many people unable to step back and see it.

[Stetto, man...]

I've just about lost any ability to care what urbanites do to each other anymore. Except for the perpetuation of the racebait industry and fuel this creates for politicians, to incidences like these I am being successfully desensitized. The media gets a welcome break from having to find OR CREATE distractions from real news and as per form are milking it into a dry, flaccid udder...

This is nothing. Wait until mamma's EBT card has $1.17 less on it one day...And the BoBoPhone goes quiet. These are the people that the Darwin Effect is about.

It was kind of refreshing to see AlSharpton publicly told what-fer, but nothing good lasts. He'll be there for the next thousand Free-Stuff Pickup Festivals ginning up his hate machine, and one can't be sure if this moment of clarity amidst the "turmoil" in Ferguson wasn't just that; a moment. The only true adults in this particular room are, as is usual, being villainized beyond the ability to perform their duties while walking the eggshells on the sidewalk. All thanks to the racebait industry, politicians and the media...

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I see that another round of looting took place last night and the po-po, under the leadership of this Highway Patrol Capt. who "understands urban policing," stood by and did... nothing. We're told that this is a bunch of outsiders coming in and doing all the looting, yet the stores hit were a liquor store, a convenience store, a beauty shop (that specialized in hair extensions), and an electronics store. Photos include two people on foot hauling away what appears to be a sliding miter saw.

So let me get this right... the theft of cigarettes, cigars, and booze was the work of non-residents of Ferguson? The deceased kid in this very incident was on video boosting a box of Swishers from one of the stores half an hour before being shot. And we're to believe none of those participants last night are from the local area? What kind of police protection are those businesses paying for, exactly?

Then, here's this woman on the news this morning bitching about the stores being all boarded up. "What we goin' do NOW?" she lamented to the camera. Gee, I wonder. Maybe Rev.s Al or Jesse might cough up a few foundation funds for some other sucker to open a business there, but no one with any sense is going to put themselves at risk like that just to perhaps die someday over a handful of cigars and a twelve pack. Or extensions.

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Today the Independent Journal Review came out with a story about an analysis of the audio in one of the videos taken at the scene of the Brown shooting several minutes after it happened. In the background are two men talking back and forth, one of them appears to have been an eyewitness to the whole event. He's not on camera, not being interviewed, simply talking to another person in the background of the video.

The person in the conversation who is trying to understand what happened asks if the police car was over "there," why is the body "here?" The other man explains there was a struggle of some sort AT the police vehicle and Brown ran away from it then the police officer chased after him. The man then asks, if he (Brown) was running away, why is his body facing that way, meaning his head was facing in the direction of the police vehicle. A person shot running away would, one would think, fall in such a way that their head would be furthest from the vehicle. So, that was a good question. The answer: Brown turned and doubled back on the police officer. He says more shots were fired at this point but Brown KEPT COMING AT HIM. The witness says he thought the cop was shooting away but missing his shots, Brown continues approaching the officer, the officer fires another volley which, seemingly, put him down for good.

This is in sharp contrast to what the other witness, Brown's friend, said in his narrative to reporters. In that version, Brown is pulled in through the window of a police car by the officer who reached out with one hand and pulled Brown (or at least his head) in through the window. Brown struggles ONLY to pull away. He is shot once in or at the police vehicle, then runs. The officer pursues and fires again, presumably at his back, and hits him a second time. Brown then somehow turns and as he is trying to kneel down, with his hands up in the air, he is shot 4 more times, then the officer walks over and shoots down on him 4 more times.

This "friend's" testimony seems like an incredible feat to me. First, Brown was 6'4". That means he would have to lean down in order for anyone to reach his neck. I know this because my former coworker was 6'4" and I couldn't possibly reach out and encircle his neck from a sitting position in a full sized pickup which is as high or higher than the Police SUV. I would have to lean way out the window to get around his neck unless he leaned down and got his head close enough. From a position leaning out the window, I'd never have enough leverage to haul a 300lb guy back in through the window I'm half leaning out of. Now, if that same 6'4" 300-pounder leaned over and reached in my window as though to grab me, I'd certainly have enough arm to go around his neck and enough leverage to at least try and hold him from coming in any farther.

The video evidence doesn't seem to support Brown's friend's assertions. First, the friend describes the second shot as taking place as Brown is running away. That means a hole somewhere in the rear of Brown's body. Yet as Brown is filmed lying dead in the street, all the blood is coming from his head and wounds in the front of his body. His white tee shirt has no red stain anywhere on the back, and neither to his khaki shorts or his legs or socks. So where did that second shot hit him? Might have hit an arm but that's the only other possible place because if it was a head shot there would have been no "arms up" stuff for the rest of the shots.

Then Brown turns and is "shot" 4 more times in rapid succession while his hands are up and he's saying "don't shoot." Then Brown falls prone and the cop supposedly moves in over him and shoots him 4 more times. Where? Where are those bullet holes? He fell face down facing the police car... so firing over him would have had to hit his back somewhere - yet we see no apparent damages in the video close-ups.

It makes a lot more sense for the scenario to have gone down as the man in the background audio describes it. But we will have a much better idea when we know a)how many shots were actually fired, b)how many shots hit Brown, and c)where did they hit. These two versions are very wide apart; it would seem any forensic evidence that supports either version must necessarily refute the other story. No hits in the back means he could not have been hit the second time while "running away." Hits to the chest in a horizontal plane mean there was no "firing over the body" of the last four rounds.

One major screw up by police so far is why was the officer's vehicle, a major piece of forensic evidence and part of the crime scene, allowed to simply drive off? Where did it go? Has it been impounded as evidence, if so when and by whom? Seems to me they are going to have one helluva time using anything from that car in a trial and even more so in the court of public opinion. Were they, for example, to say they found powder residue and blood splatter in or on the car and draw any conclusion from that, it's going to be met with the same skepticism as the release of the robbery tape. Plus the family has already hired one of the premiere forensic experts (does that strike anyone else as odd, that a family living in a housing project can afford one of those?) who has made a career out of casting doubt on the forensics of any official findings.

Plus DOJ now has their paws in this as Holder has called for a second autopsy independent of the state medical examiner's autopsy. Wonder what they're going to find that the state missed... a magic bullet, maybe?

[Grug - American Neanderthal]

I have not been waiting breathlessly for reports on this, I figure the facts will come out. I did hear this morning they did say he was shot 6 times, 4 in the body, 2 in the head.

But some things are pretty striking about some of these claims, like a cop grabbing someone by the head and pulling them into a car they are sitting in, never going to happen, especially to a 6'4" guy.

On the other hand the account of the police that came out at 1st that the kid dove on top of the cop after he hit the cop makes no sense either with 2 head shots and the body away from the car. Unless of course this was a complete screw up and they are delaying intentionally, they should have been forthcoming with an explanation.

However, the riots have a whole life of their own now and really have nothing to do with the shooting anymore, it has attracted all the militants and looties from anywhere close. Its time they be put down for good, which hopefully they will with the guard being called in.

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The NG is not going to accomplish anything. All along the plan here is to keep this front and center in the news and that won't happen once a couple nights of peace and quiet go by. Funny, as soon as Holder's "advisors" show up on the scene, so do the New Black Panthers and "people who ain't from around here." Professional rabble rousers. Their plan all along was to escalate this slowly and carefully until the NG comes in. Now watch how angry and violent the protests get. What they want is another Kent State, they want the NG to mow down a few of the crowd who will of course all be peaceful protestors and not inciters or Molitov tossers.

This began as a racial thing stirred up by the media who turns every white-on-black action into a biased-based criminal act. What the race-baiters want is a monumental event, like a modern day Kent State to substitute for the Selma, AL of 50 years ago that most young people know nothing of. This will allow Al and Jesse to run around the nation saying the local PD, the State PD, even the NG are out there ready to kill blacks, so get in line to march and send your donation to...

I don't understand how the Governor, who was supposedly so "sickened by what he saw" as regards "militarized" police facing down unarmed citizens, thinks an armed NG unit is going to present any different face to the citizens than cops in armored beast vehicles with roof-mounted machine guns. First it's sickening, now it's necessary. Go figure!

The preliminary results of the private autopsy were released today that didn't give much info except that there were a total of 6 gunshot impacts all to the front of the body. Two were head shots, right eye orbit and top of skull. Two questions suddenly emerge:

1. How exactly does a 6' cop shot a 6'4" citizen on the very top of the skull such that the bullet goes into the skull, not just grazing it?

2. If Brown had his hands up at the time of the shots as suggested by his compatriot, then one would expect those four shots on his arms to have entered back-to-front or elbow-to-shoulder on the upper arms. But they entered front-to-back, which can't happen if the shootee was either running away or surrendering with his arms up.

This case, like Zimmerman's, is going to sink itself in the ocean of misinformation. Once again, instead of waiting for the whole story to emerge, the family, under guidance of their attorney, is out there actively trying to manufacture and sell a version of events that don't line up with the facts. This is what came crashing down on Trayvon Martin's family when a jury DID take into account the acts of their innocent little victim and found Zimmerman's shot to be self-defense. The more this case goes on, the more the facts seem to back the original version and refute allegations made by the family, Brown's friend, and the NBR (national race baiters).

Notice well that Al and Jesse show up long enough to get their name in the paper and to see if there is any opportunity for them to cash in on the event - not likely now that the family has an expensive lawyer looking out for their (his own) financial interests. You don't see them out there at 2 in the morning calming down any crowds, yet they want to criticize the cops who do have to go out there and try to calm the hood at 2am.

[Grug - American Neanderthal]

Heh, yeah the only time you see those 2 clowns is right before the news cycle primetime in front of cameras.

The guard coming in means they can allocate and deploy the non lethal microwave and sound weapons if needed.

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Aug 18, 2014 8:16:54 GMT -7 Grug - American Neanderthal said:

The guard coming in means they can allocate and deploy... ...sound weapons if needed.

I thought Justin Beiber was in Europe? Maybe they have some old Barry Manilow CDs they can feed to the crowd.

[Grug - American Neanderthal]

Slim Whitman, it worked on the Martians. Manilow makes me want to kill myself.

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I watched late last night some live news coverage, which is probably some of the reason why this stuff get rolling from the look of it, but I digress. The locals tried really hard to keep the rioters apart from police and peaceful, and when I shut it off they were successful, but apparently they could not keep the peace.

I'm thinking maybe Obama can zip on ever in his golf cart between rounds and fix that whole racial strife thing as so many thought he would do.

More helpful would be Ferguson citizens taking pictures and taking names and turning in these agitators.

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It's no secret who the real agitators are. The Klan with a tan (New Black Panther Party) was out there last night threatening to shoot a CNN reporter. The news crew was walking along a sidewalk when suddenly hands went all over the lens and most of what you hear is some whiney black woman telling them to stop filming them (I think she used the term "get yo lens out"). Apparently they don't want to be filmed in tee shirts because that doesn't look intimidating enough. Gotta get in fatigues, RayBans, and funny hats first. CNN must have wandered by during rehearsal before everyone was fully dressed out.

Seems every group of whackos except the Westboro Baptist Church has weighed in on the situation and threatened everyone who is worth threatening, and that's only because Westboro was kind of busy trying to protest Robin Williams' funeral because of his cross-dressing role in Mrs. Doubtfire and his role in The Birdcage. Now that the Williams funeral is over, it wouldn't surprise me if they show up too, though I'm not sure which side they plan to rain fire and brimstone upon. Maybe someone can paint the burnt-out Quick Mart with a rainbow and they can protest the Quick Mart.

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Well talk about a "huge story" vanishing from the news cycle overnight! Suddenly, once there's a report of about ten witnesses who basically back the officer's version of events, and reports that the officer suffered a fractured orbital socket, all this racial injustice doesn't seem to matter anymore. What a surprise!

Suddenly the family attorney, Crump, the one out there calling it an executuion, has had failure of the lips. Nothing to say about the poor little darling innocent, daydreaming of college teenager who has left a deep track in the mud? Fracture isn't viewed by most juries as an injury incidental to a struggle unless it's a finger fracture. Fracture of an orbital bone takes almost three times the pressure it takes to break a collarbone, and an X-ray is going to be very powerful evidence that innocent little Mikey was indeed trying to lay an ass whuppin' on the policeman. There is also the matter of a struggle for the gun, it's accidental or rather inadvertent firing, and the forensic trail that will leave on hands, arms, clothing, the vehicle, and the cop. We haven't heard one word about any of that yet.

I get the feeling the media is only interested in the story so long as they can sell it as the most unjustified racial action since Rosa Parks was asked to sit in the back of the bus. Now that people are finding out about the robbery of the cigars, the facial fracture, and the fact that numerous witnesses are refuting Brown's friends statement to the press about him being shot down like an animal with his hands up in surrender, it isn't such an easy sell for the media anymore. They also have been caught in inaccurate reporting such as the other night when they reported the police stormed at them to try and prevent them from covering the story. The video they presented to support the charge shows armed cops telling a few media people to "step back" and another says clearly "let us through." You can see the cops walk right past the reporters as though they weren't even there. It had nothing to do with them or their precious right to cover the story. Next day it gets reported - by only the local press - that shots had been fired at police and in the pursuit of the suspect it was learned he was "hiding behind a group of media people." The cops went looking and guess where they found the shooter? BEHIND a group of media, loaded weapon still on his person.

Now I have to ask this question: How come, if this group of media is so watchful, so alert that they can give us the scoop on everything going on in Ferguson, that they couldn't even notice some dude beating feet away from the cops and running behind a group of fellow media? How come the media he hid behind didn't notice, or if they did, why weren't they pointing him out to all these police supposedly strong-arming all of the media? Seems to me giving the asshat up would have restored their ability to cover anything uninhibited by cops charging around with rifles.

I guess that doesn't serve their template of being some sort of public hero by standing around filming a bunch of malcontents in hopes that a war would erupt and their ratings take off.

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Yet I still saw live interviews with people saying they better indict AND convict or the riots so far will pale in comparison. Once again what people want to believe is clashing with what really is and with lives on the line they spend their own too cheaply in defense of it.

You got that media self image of heroism exactly right as well, look how they are covering Foleys beheading, as if he is the martyr to their god, ratings. Yet how many have fallen fighting that evil with their very life, and half the time they are demonized for it by these very people if there is even a hint of some sort unjustified action.

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Well at least the media shows signs of a possibility of learning... maybe. After the mighty O stood up a local high school in front of a hastily erected blue curtain and made remarks about his JV team (ISIL) executing Foley, he was photointruded moments later yukking it up in a golf cart. I say photointruded because you know the mighty O has stated he doesn't like photo-ops. The liberal media couldn't seem to fit that square peg into their round minds. How could this pinhead they've carried water for for 6 years be so callous when one of their own was sacrificed like a goat in a Mosaic tent of meeting? I think for the first time - when it's THEM on the receiving end - they're seeing what a hollow door of a president he is. I thought it was great that Cheney took to the airwaves today to tell the story of how Bush ended up giving up golf for the rest of his presidency, how he examined his own actions and didn't like what he saw, and recognized that a serious president doesn't simply shift from important engagements to zipping off to the links. What a contrast between them, as if there aren't enough already.

Question is, will this incense the media enough to start hammering him with equal vigor when he's doing it to someone else? Probably not. If this press corp cannot see that "the most transparent presidency in history" has put more limitations on them then Hillary, Nixon, and Lady Bird Johnson combined, then I don't think they're capable of recognizing truth, let alone reporting it.

[Grug - American Neanderthal]

Typical of useful idiots, thinking they were among the elite who are special to those in power, and find they are just pawns and disposable. But they won't turn on him yet, they are still progressive believers and will back him up to preserve that ideology.

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Oh I'm not so sure about that. I read Maureen Dowd's column yesterday and it wasn't very flattering for the O. For a second there I thought I'd clicked on Peggy Noonan's column by mistake. The gist if it was she was trying to intellectually bitch slap him 'side the head for the golf cart thing and failure to seriously engage meaningful problems in any kind of apparent, serious way. If he's pissing off Dowd, one who has carried more gallons for his administration than just about anyone, I think he's lost his grip on them.

With all the live-action reporters having left Ferguson, maybe a few of them could do a live spot on Chris Matthew's leg and report how that tingle thing is doing?

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Aug 19, 2014 15:17:10 GMT -7 HiTemp said:

Seems every group of whackos except the Westboro Baptist Church has weighed in on the situation and threatened everyone who is worth threatening, and that's only because Westboro was kind of busy trying to protest Robin Williams' funeral because of his cross-dressing role in Mrs. Doubtfire and his role in The Birdcage. Now that the Williams funeral is over, it wouldn't surprise me if they show up too, though I'm not sure which side they plan to rain fire and brimstone upon.

Ooooookay, guess it's time to put in that application to the Psychic Friends Network. Course all you guys will get a discount, only $3.99 a minute.

Westboro Baptist Church to picket Michael Brown's funeral

Westboro has declared sides. They are picketing Brown's funeral because of an openly gay player in the NFL. Now there's an obvious clear connection for you!

[Grug - American Neanderthal]

Well.. they are both black after all.