No Speaka da English

[HiTemp]

So you own a plastics company in Wisconsin. When performance review time comes around, you mark certain employees lower in the area of communications because... because they don't speak any English. They don't speak ANY English. The Obama administration's EEOC checks it out and decides to sue you in federal court for violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964, claiming that you're unrealistic expectation that employees of an American company IN America speak some semblance of English is violating the employees' civil rights, going so far as to discriminate against them on the basis of country of origin. Because their native language is part and parcel of the culture of said country of origin, to demand the employee speak English ipso facto discriminates against their culture, ergo their country of origin.

Well riddle me this, EEOC. When the employee has to be taught how to position an injection mold correctly, how does one communicate to the employee to keep his fingers clear of the area where the hydraulic positioning clamp will descend with a ton and half of force if it's unrealistic and discriminatory to expect them to know English? Are employers then REQUIRED to hire translators for each and every different nationality of person they may hire? What about dialects? The Spanish language, for example, has different meanings for words if you're talking to a Mexican than if you're talking to a Brazilian or an Argentinian. Does that mean three different translators must be hired in order to adequately insure things like safety procedures, employee rights, schedule changes, productivity expectations, etc. are effectively communicated?

What other nation on the face of the planet practices this kind of thing? Does Norway, for example, hire a person of Italian descent, familiar with only the Italian language, and then provide all communications to the employee in Italian? Does Saudi Arabia do that? How about Iceland, Finland, or the UAE? China? Russia? Portugal? Where on earth is this happening in practice besides in the mind of some schmuck at the EEOC? More to the point, where is the EEOC employee I can look at as an example of this policy in actual practice?

What then if a translator or the ability to get signage in the proper language is not available? Does that then give the company solid ground to reject or dismiss an employee on the basis of not being a party to knowingly violating their civil rights?

What's going to happen when a Muslim-owned business has to hire a Hebrew translator or perhaps a Coptic Christian translator?

Whatever happened to that belief in evolution and Darwinism being such a good thing for our development as a species? Seems to me we're tampering with the process everywhere we can. Why?

[zrct02]

I wonder if the EEOC hires Spanish only speakers? If not, isn't that discriminatory? Can we sue the EEOC?

[Stetto, man...]

I'm sure that a Galvin can explain how the founders put all this into the Constitution, wording it VERY carefully as to fool all those ignorant racists who also thought the 2nd Am applied to American citizens.

Read and reread the Commerce Clause (you'll likely have to rearrange letters and add a few mistakenly absent legal terms) until this language thing makes sense.

Think it's bad now? Our own government is importing and redistributing the population of Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc., WITH AMERICAN TAX MONEY. Don't let a good crisis go to waste, and if there's not one handy we'll just CREATE one.

[Grug - American Neanderthal]

You read the history of what Rome did as they declined that made it happen faster. And Step back and look at what we are doing and think we are much more stupid than ancient Romans, they had little choice at the point they were invaded and destroyed, we are encouraging it.

I am sick of hearing how we welcome and can use immigration. At one time we could use horses too, but I think our opportunity for immigrants has neared an end to prosper though work, now it mainly looking for a gravy train.

Starting in 1855 to 1890, we put all eat coast immigrants though castle Clinton 35 years they ran through 8 million. Moving immigration to Ellis island in another 34 years ran through about 25 million. Supposedly with the closing of it and change in immigration law it was the end of mass immigration here. 70 years gave us about 33 million people.

Our current legal immigration with the quota, but including refugees etc, from about 700k to a million a year, and the current population of known LEGAL immigrants is about 40 million. Estimates vary from about 12 million to 20 million illegally, growing at estimates of 500k to a million a year. Now math was never my strong point, but these numbers are not coming anywhere near meshing, even at the low end estimates. Why would we need bilingual mandates for a 1 or 2% non English speaking population as is claimed. I think its much higher, and people would be shocked and frightened to know their is probably closer to 25% in reality that English is not their 1st language, and among them English is barely spoken at all.

Its not really a secret the left in this country thinks this is a way to secure their power forever. However they have no idea what will happen when we hit the tipping point that these "immigrants" start to claim regions as their own, separate from the US. Just like they are doing in the middle east their naivety and myopic short view sets in motion events they cannot even comprehend much less control.

And their answer is to sue businesses for discrimination.

[Stetto, man...]

I tried to explain this to my "Mr. Spreadsheet" (a spreadsheet proves all, but only from MY sources) brother in law yesterday. At some early point in the conversation my third eye must have become visible, as selfless sympathy for "refugees" trumps sensibility every time and the man was aghast at my callousness. He swallows the propaganda without question. He mistrusts the government, but the "press" is unimpeachable in his opinion, hence what Brian NBC does not report does not exist.

This is something Limbaugh passes over; Not the low-information voter, but the smart-but-gullible voter. They give credibility to the incredulous, allow the corrupt to flourish, and by their refusal to open their eyes guarantee a repeat of the fall of Rome. It won't matter if they awaken after the jackboot is on their throats.

[zrct02]

We lost this country a long time ago. I submit it really got going in the '60s.

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Jul 4, 2014 8:49:39 GMT -7 Stetto, man... said:

...as selfless sympathy for "refugees" trumps sensibility every time and the man was aghast at my callousness. He swallows the propaganda without question.

Stetto, I have had many occasions where I encountered this sort of insanity from members of my church. There is a distinction between charity and lulling someone into a scenario of almost certain dependance, but many don't see that as they are blinding by what they view as a requirement to "be charitable" and "love everyone."

It's charitable and a loving thing to do to offer methadone to a heroin addict in the throes of withdrawal; it's NOT charitable to create new addicts just because you have a lot of methadone.

It would be one thing if the phrase "illegal immigrant" was synonymous with "poor or needy people," but the fact is it is not. Some of our illegal immigrants have been found to be previously convicted felons still on the loose from another country's legal system, thus they come here because it's a safe bet they won't be sent back, at least for a while and that while presents further opportunities to simply vanish off the radar. Some illegal immigrants are carrying diseases, illnesses we certainly don't want to spread. Try going to S. America without a record of inoculations and watch how fast you'll be sent home without one. Demanding a basic medical screening for health problems is NOT being uncharitable, it's being charitable by addressing the illness right then before it sickens many more citizens AND other illegal immigrants.

But some folks I deal with won't listen two sentences about that. All they see is the iconic image of some family where the parents are looking for work so they can feed their 3 kids and naturally that's not a crime, but these folks make it out to where I'm wanting to treat them as criminals instead of just handing over the storehouse to help. One lady even said to me once, "Joseph and Mary had to flee to Egypt with baby Jesus to avoid Herod's dictate to kill all children in the region. If you were in charge of Egyptian immigration, you'd have turned them back."

Not true. I do want to help legitimate cases where people want to come here and try to find work and raise their families. I'm NOT willing to help some MI-5 gangbanger get a toe hold in some large metro area from which he can go on a crime spree, ruining lives with abandon.

As ol' Art would say, Geeze Louise, where do they get this stuff? I told her probably not because if I did, it would make God not God, since He would have sent Joseph on a fool's errand without any ability to circumvent a single immigration officer. Far as I can tell, God seems more powerful than that; if Egypt of 2000 years ago required paperwork or medical records, I'm sure He'd have provided them. But what does that have to do with illegal immigration, since it was perfectly legal for Jews to immigrate into Egypt at that time?

See, it's either an all-or-nothing with folks like that lady. You either give everybody whatever they want and be charitable, or you balk at anything and you're immediately UNcharitable. It's insane, like tolerance taken to extreme, absurd ends that seem so convoluted they fold in on themselves like this notion that a US business is violating someone's rights because they want people who speak the NATIONAL LANGUAGE.

[Grug - American Neanderthal]

He would have sent Joseph on a fool's errand without any ability to circumvent a single immigration officer. Far as I can tell, God seems more powerful than that;

Well that because that was not the US federal govt who thinks they are God and indeed act like they are at times.

I think there is a conception charity is using or in some cases demanding someone elses money and property to benefit others, but charity of giving of one self. Every illegal coming here is taking, not being given, and we simply are not in a position to take all the words troubles on ourselves, nor should we. God probably has a plan for those people and their tribulations, and I hardly believe its for them to all come here and get free stuff.

[Stetto, man...]

Murrieta: seems to me more than just the illegals are on the wrong side of the border.

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I just read the city of Murrieta's website and the statement issued by their city manager. Boy is he naive thinking that a "dialog" with the feds in DC is going to lead to anything beneficial to them or their community. This is about politics, pure and simple. This is the O's way of trying to raise the public thermometer high enough in the red where Congress will begin sweating and capitulate to his ridiculous immigration demands in order for the Dems to paint themselves the only one who cares about immigrants, or more to the point, Hispanic voters. It's blowing up in his face as does most of his lunatic ideas. He failed to take into account the millions of people who have to put up with the negatives brought about by his failure to enforce the law, and that's why the recent poll shows him to be the worst president since the early 1900s. Honestly, I don't know why the poll stopped there because I see nothing to prevent him from being deemed the worst president ever. His one shining piece of legacy - Ocare - is so wrapped up with problems, inefficiencies, uncertainties... only his most faithful serfs could possibly look at it and call it a success. Most people think it's a disaster, though the press is holding the reins on how people really feel. You notice you never see any stories about what the man on the street thinks of Ocare? There's a reason for that.

I'm glad to hear that he recently announced he will not seek a third term. What a pompous ass making an announcement like that. Only illustrates what little respect he has for our laws as they apply to him.

Maybe with Hillary having all these issues and being so broke financially, Al Gore will resurface to run in 2016.

[Stetto, man...]

Hmm....The One now has "rules" in place for what the media can and cannot report regarding the governments importation of tens of thousands of new voters. It's interesting, as I thought he would go after hate-mongers like Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin and Beck first. To begin dining on his own so early in the game might just mean no end-around game to eliminate the First.

If these sycophantic butt lickers acquiesce, it is hard proof that the "4th estate" is no longer in existence and should be disqualified as legitimate.

[zrct02]

It hasn't been legitimate for a long, long time. George Noory might as well be their spokesperson.

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Jul 9, 2014 3:37:10 GMT -7 zrct02 said:

George Noory might as well be their spokesperson.

Bwaaahahahaha! Now who's going to clean all that coffee off my keyboard?