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Post by MrRepublican on Aug 21, 2004 17:47:14 GMT -7
Is it just me, or are others here finding the level of discourse to be considerably more respectful, tolerant, and enjoyable (even when we disagree) in the absence of the endless anti-American invective and perjorative interjected from that particular island in the south Pacific?
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Post by Grug - American Neanderthal on Aug 21, 2004 19:39:23 GMT -7
I think it has more to do with less participation than who is participating. I wouldn't go near as far to lay blame for such at the feet of one person or one side. An argument only happens if there is more than one side that is contentious.
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Post by RonMiller on Aug 21, 2004 21:08:56 GMT -7
Probligo is not the problem. Probligo had some good topics to discuss and usually had a rational different viewpoint and was well educated. While he grated some American pride here and there, he was surely goaded into some of it also.
I still can't believe how innocent some people are....
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Post by Grnbrt on Aug 21, 2004 21:43:54 GMT -7
I agree with Ron, he did get on nerves that is true but he was also very good at debating an issue. I kind of hope he finds this place really.
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Post by MrRepublican on Aug 22, 2004 4:11:58 GMT -7
Debating is one thing, flaming an entire nation and dodging when confronted is another. Nevertheless, if proby shows up, bring him on. Rest assured the tone of this place will darken considerably when he does, becasue a good debater debates the points he/she raises rather than pretending that they no longer exist when challenged on them, and then changing the subject rather than admit the motivational nature and inaccuracy of their own previous assertions.
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Post by Galvin on Aug 22, 2004 9:13:57 GMT -7
Should the tone of the place darken if and when Probligo shows up it will be a result of the resumption of the trolling and provication that occured every time he posted an opinion that certain people here decided needed to be answered with an Ad Hominem attack or excerpt from an an ideological tract rather than a reasoned discussion. Or is it just that the respectful, tolerant, and enjoyable level of discourse only occurs when the poster agrees with you?
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Post by stetto on Aug 22, 2004 10:53:45 GMT -7
Hmm, well I certainly resemble Galvin's remark, but at least I'm big enough (and aware enough?) to be able to admit it. There are some people who've had sh!t in their mouths so long that they can't taste it anymore, so they deny that it's there, even when they're spitting it on others...
I happen to be one of those who gave Probligo a lot of crap. Given the same situation I'd likely do it again; My politics are mine, his are his, they don't find much in common. Such is the nature of politics. I've seen others here and at Flightlines trashtalk members because of their political convictions, and Probligo was nowhere to be seen.
Far as I'm concerned it's a bigger pat on the back to give Proby his due for not only taking it and dishing it out, but for standing by his beliefs through it all. He was almost a loner at Flightlines, politically speaking. Yeah, the anti-American stuff might've gotten thick, but Bob contributed a lot of food for thought. And for debate.
BTW, he knows where we are. He'll pop in sometime...or not.
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Post by Patch on Aug 22, 2004 13:24:32 GMT -7
I agree with Eric and Ron. Hopefully we can all learn that everybody has a right to an opinion
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Post by MrRepublican on Aug 22, 2004 15:03:41 GMT -7
Should the tone of the place darken if and when Probligo shows up it will be a result of the resumption of the trolling and provication that occured every time he posted an opinion that certain people here decided needed to be answered with an Ad Hominem attack or excerpt from an an ideological tract rather than a reasoned discussion. Or is it just that the respectful, tolerant, and enjoyable level of discourse only occurs when the poster agrees with you? You and I disagree on a great many things, Galvin. I have found the discourse here to be civil up to now. I have no problem when another disagrees with me on this forum or any other for that matter. What trips my trigger is when someone with an obvious anti-American agenda (particularly from another country) repeatedly advances it, and then denies having done so. That is not debate, that is trolling in and of itself. When I dis France, you rare up. That is your perogative just as it is my perogative to do so. That is not the issue I am focusing upon. However, this is the issue: You don't see me denying that I have done so and then trying to change the subject and employ ad hominem invective to dodge the issue. That is not debate. Yet that is precisely what the person in question did repeatedly, never once ceding a point with which he was confronted when his point was made in error. Focus on the behavior and you will find that passive aggression is at least as potent a poison to civil discourse as outright aggression. And neither should be tolerated. Hence, I am not looking forward to this individual's return if he intends to employ the same passive aggressive tactics disguised as "debate", tactics for which he became so well known. Perhaps a good rule-of-thumb lead to any post that disrespects any country should be, "Yeah, that's right. I am dissing (country name) and here's why..." Do that and you will have all the respect in the world from me.
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Post by JohnC on Aug 23, 2004 6:03:57 GMT -7
I, too, grew quite tired of what I felt were personal attacks, not so much on me, but others posting here, But there is one simple solution to avoiding such attacks if we want to.
Don't get into the peeing contest in the first place. Ignore those posts that crunch your crackers and the cruncher won't be able to sit in front of his/her 'puter chortling with glee at the indignation of the crunchee! JohnC
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Post by Grug - American Neanderthal on Aug 23, 2004 17:39:52 GMT -7
The first thing that struck me when I read this post is knowing things take a turn for the low road when posts are made about other posters (Or former /potential posters as the case may be).
Well here we are and and once again I see nothing truly positive come from it. I have yet to see any forum have something good come from someone being critical of another personally.
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Post by JohnC on Aug 23, 2004 17:49:34 GMT -7
Yeah, you're just saying that 'cause you got more stars than most of us! ;D
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Post by Grug - American Neanderthal on Aug 23, 2004 18:20:14 GMT -7
Heheh, you better watch your tongue, I can make user titles that fit specific cases.
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Post by JohnC on Aug 23, 2004 18:24:58 GMT -7
Heheh, you better watch your tongue, I can make user titles that fit specific cases. Uh - Oh ... JohnC
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