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Post by stetto on Jul 27, 2004 4:49:39 GMT -7
 Boy does this bring a shudder. (sieg heil?) Actually, Clinton gave a great speech, it it weren't the same old diatribe. I thought that I'd be turning it off within the first couple of minutes, but I watched the whole thing. I do believe that he is the last person who should be touting American values, but gee, that's the past now, ain't it... ...Gore should have been barred from the hall. 'Nuff sed. ...I can't remember for the life of me what Hillery said, but I remember my 4 year old daughter mentioning what a mean and ugly woman she looked like--Kids can be so intuitive, huh? I look forward to Thursday night, when Kerry might actually lay out a specific or two that he may or may not deny later... |
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Post by Richard on Jul 27, 2004 5:05:50 GMT -7
I allways like the part of the convention when the canidate asks if the country is better off now than four years ago. I would have to say no it's not better off, as 9/11 happened on George Bush's watch, he also has us in a mess overseas with no end in sight. Maybe its just me, but maybe a change in leadership would be good for this country, as Kerry looks loke he is going to give W a heck of a run for his money. Speaking of money, how about those parties that are thrown for the deligates by special intrest groups, some hungry kids could eat for a year on the money spent for one night of drinking and partying.
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Post by Grug - American Neanderthal on Jul 27, 2004 6:14:35 GMT -7
Well if you are going to assign blame to any president for 9-11 you may should look further back, maybe all the way back to Carter who showed weakness to Muslim fundementalists to begin with.
This "war with no end in sight" is being fought in terrorists backyard, not ours as the democrats and other would have it fought, because it is going to be fought.
Hillary's speech had a statement to the effect of, "This country should lead the worlds nations and work together, not alienate them"
I was reminded of the old joke of "I must hurry and catch up to the others, for I am their leader" "The world" seems to be content to put a bandaid on a spurting artery when it comes to terrorism, I have no desire to follow that lead.
The general theme of the Democrats seems to be one of unity with the UN. If anything the past 4 years should show the need to distance ourselves from them, considering the makeup and corruption of the body in general.
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Post by JohnC on Jul 27, 2004 10:05:35 GMT -7
I have decided to refrain from any comments until it's over... maybe sometime during the convention, somewhere on the stage, someone will decide to stop acting and actually say something that concerns the voters instead of their egos. J
This also applies to the Republican Convention.
JohnC
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Post by MadWags on Jul 27, 2004 11:28:54 GMT -7
I tried to watch it last night. Sorry but I could not. Alas I have no valid opinion on it. The little bit I saw left me embarassed for those participating and rather ill. After the baseball game, I watched a movie and went to bed.
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Post by Cablemender on Jul 27, 2004 12:29:49 GMT -7
I caught part of Bill's speech, and it seemed like a good crowd motivator. I was caught by surprise on his remark about the Kyoto Protocol, since he is one who deep-sixed it, not Bush. Today I heard a little piece of Limbaugh raising that same issue, in fact he called into question several points in that part of the speech having to do with treaties that the dems themselves fought against. Now it's suddenly W's fault we don't have them, as if we need them in the first place.
We aren't smart enough to police our own military - we need the UN to do that for us is his message.
We shouldn't care if developing countries pollute the hell out of planet earth, they should get a pass and we, who have invested gazillions in curbing our own pollution, should be penalized and have to pay their share for them. That's also Bill's message.
His message was that the Repubs have to demonize the Dems in order to make their message clear. I don't think so. Kerry has a 19-year voting record we can use to see where he stands. We can see the kind of people and know the issues that are important on their agenda. Things like abortion, giving special status to special groups, demonizing anyone with whom they disagree, and forging relationships that do not put America first. Putting Clinton on to tell you about what a great sense of values they have.
I hope that at least Kerry will talk some specifics tomorrow night. I honestly think if he doesn't, he's finished. He has to come out of this convention ahead or face a possible large bump from the Republican convention that will make his road even tougher. Kerry seems too aloof as a candidate, and if he cannot bridge that gap to everyday voters, he won't swing the undecided in his direction.
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Post by Grug - American Neanderthal on Jul 27, 2004 17:30:26 GMT -7
Like at present, I have never really paid attention to the conventions, I realize what these are for, but what is the real reason for such effort for attention. Obviously everyone present at these conventions is going to vote for the parties candidate, that is a forgone conclusion by the time they take place.
Is it really all show to bring in some of the undecideds? Or is it more like an excuse to get together, chant slogans and act in ways within a group that one would never do in everyday life? Frankly it seems if speeches make the difference at this point, the votes pandered by these spectacles could be bought for a 5 dollar bill and a handshake.
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