|
|
Post by exrafbod on Sept 9, 2004 13:25:22 GMT -7
 Ok. Who has already discarded the heavy metal tank and replaced it with a Sullivan 4oz RST configured for Uniflo!  Who has mounted their engine so far back on the bearers that they don't need tail weight in excess of 1.5oz to make it fly good? Who has managed to fly it out of the box as-is and untrimmed? Who has laughed themselves silly after reading the bit about being "Expertly covered in M*nokote" then looking at the actual covering to see where the expert part actually did his bit of covering? And last but not least.... Who's aeroplane has managed to survive and fly without any modification at all or at least to the control system? .....Are you looking at this thread TF People?
|
|
|
|
Post by StuntMaster on Sept 10, 2004 17:21:54 GMT -7
Well...
There are probably a bunch of people flying ummodified ARF Noblers, who are completely unaware of the planes faults. Prehaps the thing to do, would be for us to start a mass mail-in campagne in an effort to convince TF to upgrade the shortcomings in thier product.
I have no bitch with the covering on mine but the thing is still substantialy misengineered for controline.
Like, who in thier right mind would produce a plane that will not accept a standard tank? Sheesh!!
Remember, quick links have worked fine in RC planes for decades. Those guys just don't understand what our planes need in order to survive. While the controls can be fixed, it does drive up the owners investment in the plane in both time and money
We need to take the fight to the enemy, in this case TF.
They'll probably wake up when Brodak's ARFs flood the market and kill TF's sales. Unfortunately, TF will probably respond by killing off the Nobler, leaving us with one less option.
SM
|
|
|
|
Post by oldcajun on Sept 10, 2004 18:42:43 GMT -7
The ARF Nobler actually accepts a standard tank. The Brodak medium wedge at 3.5 oz fits. If you open the hole in the firewall a bit, the same tank at 4 oz will fit. That is what is in mine. As to CG, I have a Fox in mine with a 1/2 inch prop extension and needed no tail weight. I did change out the bellcrank and leadouts as well as the clevis hardware. Otherwise stock. The covering job sucks.
Steve
|
|
|
|
Post by StuntMaster on Sept 13, 2004 14:10:54 GMT -7
Well oldguy...
The ARF Nobler will NOT accept a standard tank!
I have a beautifull Brodak Nobler hanging on my wall right now, that is built to stock dimensions and will therefore take a "standard Tank" which is 2" wide.
The 2" tank has been the "standard width" for Nobler sized (And larger.) planes for about 50 years and every midsized full bodied ship that I can think of was designrd to permit installation of a 2"wide tank. I'm sure that I have in excess of 100 plans for .35, .40 and .46 planes that specify a 2" wide (Standard.) tank.
In my case, I have these tanks in uniflow, non-uniflow, front tube, side tube, top tube, baffled, plain, copper vent, brass vent and more. If you like, I can even send you a photo of a NIP tank marked "Standard Nobler".
Yes, I can BUY a new tank that will fit the ARF as well as I can MAKE one to fit. I just think that it's a disservice to the community to produce an ARF that doesnt have room to install the most commonly used and most widely available fuel tanks used in controline.
All TF would have had to do to avoid this problem, would have been to make the fuselage 1/8 inch wider!! How much more would THAT have cost? 25 cents?! It sure wouldnt cost more for packaging!!
First you have to buy the plane and then you have to spend more time and money to make it flyable. That is beginning to seem like a bit too much ARF to me and I LIKE the darned thing!
It would be nice if TF fixed the problems before Brodak kills thier product in the market place.
SM
|
|
|
|
Post by ferocious on Sept 14, 2004 12:18:15 GMT -7
I am pretty sure the original Nobler used a 1-7/8 in. wide tank. I know for a fact that the stock Veco's, which were 2 in. wide would not fit. It really messed up my ambitions when I was building one at the tender age of 14 and had to spend two weeks custom soldering a 4.5 oz. tank, custom built to the plans. hardest part of the airplane to build.
|
|
|
|
Post by StuntMaster on Sept 14, 2004 16:33:25 GMT -7
Well, George drew the plans for Brodak and told me to my face that the dimensions were as original. He said the same thing to JB and a million other people. Who knows, maybe he just forgot what he did way back there in the 50's!
Of course, hes dead now, so the point is academic, no matter how many NIP, vintage 2" wide 'Nobler' tanks that I have.
I STILL think that it was completely stupid for TF to manufacture an airplane that won't take a standard ( 2") tank.
They were even dumber than a modeler who would make the same mistake!
SM
|
|
|
|
Post by dirtydan on Sept 17, 2004 12:07:04 GMT -7
Personally, I think whining about this and that supposed shortcoming of the Top Flite Nobler ARF is just that, whining.
The stock ARFs are in an amazing number of ways accurately reflective of how we were building models when the kits were new. The only real difference is that they are constructed better!
Dan
|
|
|
|
Post by StuntMaster on Sept 17, 2004 14:33:51 GMT -7
I guess that you'd know all about whining.
We all have our areas of expertise!
SM
|
|
|
|
Post by dirtydan on Sept 20, 2004 14:06:56 GMT -7
Stunt Master,
Indeed. And your area of expertise would be? It's certainly not witty retorts...
The Top Flite ARFs must be taken in context: They are amazingly well built, they are easy to locate, they are really inexpensive, having been designed and produced to a specific price point. A very good deal all around.
Are they models at the leading edge of CL Stunt? Of course not. If we wish to upgrade them with features and hardware we ourselves did not use when building these same designs from kits, how can there be a legitimate case made against Top Flite? Better to go back and make fun of your own efforts of years ago, especially as one's credibility would remain untarnished.
Dan
|
|
|
|
Post by jigsawyer on Oct 10, 2004 18:45:52 GMT -7
Well, so much for "kinder and gentler" . . .
That lasted for all of three days or so
I guess that you'd know all about whining.
We all have our areas of expertise!
SM[/quote]
|
|
|
|
Post by Garf on Oct 10, 2004 19:06:03 GMT -7
Even thou they are not particularly kind or gentle, these comments are not enough to get one bounced.
|
|
