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Post by Garf on Feb 5, 2005 20:51:31 GMT -7
I wonder if anyone has considered the worst case senario of the current problems Pampa is having with the president and the proposed rule changes. John Brodak has bought up a lot of failed companies and produces a lot of kits and hardware that C/L people need. What would happen if Pampa manages to soundly defeat the attempts to take over Pampa. Can we afford to aggrivate someone that has become so important to the survival of C/L? If he gets angry enough, he could concievably fold his tent and dissappear taking his products with him. It doesn't seem likely from an economic standpoint, but the very rich have fragile egos. They hate to lose. Has anyone ever considered this possibility, or am I paranoid?
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Post by n42222 on Feb 6, 2005 0:54:04 GMT -7
Garf, Your post has brought up another thought. I certainly realize we need Mr. Brodak's contributions to Control line. But it's not just stunt. I am one of a dying breed of Carrier flyer and have had some success locally and at the Nats in the various Carrier events. The Brodak three line handles and bellcranks are on virtually every Carrier plane, except for nostalgia Carrier where you see some old J.Roberts hardware. So his influence is not just in stunt. Best regards, dale gleason  |
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Post by peabody on Feb 6, 2005 7:11:05 GMT -7
I believe that John's love for Controline is such that, no matter how crappy the PAMPAettes treat him, he will continue to grow and improve his product line.
Some argue that John has a monetary reason to be the PAMPA President.....for from the truth....without taking full advantage of existing tax codes (as well as having a healthy bankroll to begin) John's accountant would probably suggest that it would cost less to seend a $20.00 bill to anyone wanting something with instructions to buy it somewhere else)....
Without knowing John, it's real, real easy to take long range shots....I would defy anyone (well, maybe not the LtCol, but he's still a believe about WMD's)...to go an visit with Buzz and John....they are two of the nicest people on the planet and do not deserve the treatment that is being hurled at them.
I dare you.
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Post by jimthomerson on Feb 6, 2005 10:25:32 GMT -7
None of this makes any sense to me, and I don't see much positive coming out of it.  If Brodak goes out of business and PAMPA dies, I'll still fly my toy airplanes and have fun. Both are nice, and I appreciate both, but neither is essential to my good life. Jim |
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Post by Garf on Feb 6, 2005 16:39:20 GMT -7
Make no mistake, I was flying models long before Pampa or Brodak existed, but those were the days of Top Flite, Aero Gloss, Carl Goldberg, Perfect, Veco, Sterling, McCoy, etc. Make no mistake, if Brodak dissappears, the impact will be felt by everyone.
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Post by Brett Buck on Feb 6, 2005 18:28:13 GMT -7
I believe that John's love for Controline is such that, no matter how crappy the PAMPAettes treat him, he will continue to grow and improve his product line. .... Without knowing John, it's real, real easy to take long range shots....I would defy anyone (well, maybe not the LtCol, but he's still a believe about WMD's)...to go an visit with Buzz and John....they are two of the nicest people on the planet and do not deserve the treatment that is being hurled at them. I dare you. Just more political blather, and the victim act is wearing VERY THIN. I (and hundreds of others at last count) vehemently disagree with John's ideas. Expressing that is not "treating him badly" - it's exercising the very "all opinions are welcome" philosphy that John claims to support. And what is the result - complete disregard, and expressions of contempt for anyone to dares disagree. That's not "heaping torment" on John (and Buzz has to my knowledge never even been mentioned in any "opposition" traffic I have seen) - it's DISAGREEING. Disagreement is not personal attack, and despite whatever ridiculous claim you might want to make to the contrary, it's still NOT TRUE. It has nothing to do with whether John is a good guy a bad guy, whether he's sincere of cynical, whether he supplies good products or not. It's a matter of whether the changes he proposes are good ideas or not. I think not, many other people think not too, and having that opinion is not a personal attack on anyone. I know you can't tell the difference, but most people can. Claiming otherwise is a laughably transparent attempt to further your political ends. Brett |
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Post by jimthomerson on Feb 7, 2005 8:29:42 GMT -7
Brett, if you will edit and remove your first and last sentences, I will be with you 100%.
Jim
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Post by peabody on Feb 7, 2005 9:07:21 GMT -7
I am curious as to what you believe are "John's ideas"....
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Post by jimthomerson on Feb 7, 2005 15:08:03 GMT -7
Maybe I can find his campaign letter and refresh my memory.
Jim
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Post by ferocious on Feb 8, 2005 14:52:23 GMT -7
" Disagreement is not personal attack, and despite whatever ridiculous claim you might want to make to the contrary, it's still NOT TRUE. Brett"
Brett you do a good job of sticking to ideas and arguing your points well. A lot of the PAMPA argumentation has been about opinion, which can never really get settled, since it is subjective. Other folks involved are a great deal less careful.
A number of the letters I've seen on PAMPA politics lately have a great deal of innuendo and insinuation in them. That is not an honest fair presentation of opinion or an aboveboard way to try and change someone else's. Things like- "well he's(John) not following the bylaws we have.." "well, who stands to benefit if we make that change?...." "He set the vote up, now how come he's changing it...."(when changes were made to address member and trustee concerns) etc.
The level of discourse, at least on discussion boards, has reach a much higher level to keep from running wild. It often gets way ahead of events.
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If Brodak goes out of business and PAMPA dies, I'll still fly my toy airplanes and have fun. Both are nice, and I appreciate both, but neither is essential to my good life.