Post by tperry2054 on Sept 24, 2004 8:51:54 GMT -7
I very recently posted a message on the Stuka Stunt Forum that Mr. Neuman didn't see fit to leave on there. My message was not merely locked down like most of the others. It was deleted, twice.
I wonder if it will survive the light of day here?
Here's the Message followed by a public message by Mr. Neuman and my response:
Very early this morning I posted a message in this forum subject was Vice Presidential Statement. I don't know why it has disappeared. I am repeating it verbatim just as I posted it previously.
Second try:
Mr. Fancher,
I’ve just complete reading your campaign statement, for about the 30th time or so, still find it as depressing as when I first read it. For the first column and first paragraph it is fine, Your bonafides certainly appear to be in order, no argument there. I know of nothing, up ‘til now that would keep me from voting for you in any office PAMPA has to offer.
Starting with the second column, second paragraph the remainder of your statement has to be the most condescending, patronizing, mean spirited, insincere garbage it has ever been my displeasure to read. The reason I consider it insincere is that I don’t consider you a stupid person. I know I don’t buy what you’re attempting to sell.
My impression is Mr. Brodak will never fit in to your “good ol’e boys club” no matter how he conducts himself. I guess I could have said mutual admiration society, but some how good ol’e boys seems to fit a little better. We can’t let this Brodak feller tell us anointed ones what to do, Yea you tell ‘em Bubba, teach ‘em to screw with usuns.
The disagreement between Mr. Brodak and Mr. Tiahrt seems to be one of the bones of contention that are getting a lot of press. Why? Am I to understand that two supposedly grown men can’t work it out between them. It seems to me that if enough people keep picking at a scab it will never heal and mean time it can cause nothing but irritation and suffering.
Mr. Brodak didn’t call a meeting of the Executive Council? Shame on him! Wait a minute… did anyone ask him to? Communication is a two way street. Can anyone of the whiners or complainers honestly say they have tried to help Mr. Brodak and PAMPA with out demanding he “suck up” or bow to the PAMPA elite?
I didn’t vote for Mr. Brodak, I don’t even know him. I might not even like him if I did know him. I didn’t vote for him because I joined PAMPA after the last election. I understand he won by a large margin. Is that the real problem, one of the anointed didn’t win? Could it possibly be that it is one of the "my ball my rules" or I’m gonna take it and go home? Do you feel as some have said that PAMPA has been hijacked? Do you think that the constant nit picking will solve anything? I don’t.
Mr. Brodak signs off with “Your Friend in CL” and you can sincerely find fault with that? Good lord that is really petty.
If enough people think stunt and sport Control Liners should form separate organizations, why not get it out in the open and talk about it instead of just continuing to be rude to one another? This contentious, internecine bickering certainly isn’t doing sport, stunt or Control Line in general any good.
Tight Lines,
Tom Perry
LNeumann
Charter Member
6015 posts Sep-24-04, 10:12 AM (CDT)
"procedures"
Just another comment for all in general. In trying to cool a certain issue I locked down certain topics, and, yes, deleted a few others. I try to run fair and balanced. I try to allow a lot of lee way in topics and discussions. But I also set rules. And I also reserve the right to delete, and to do so without question.
In the past I have had several people resurrect topics that I deleted. I had to delete them again. There are times I will contact people when doing so in order to explain to them why I am doing so. But if I delete a topic, I have done so for a reason. If you have a question as to the reason, you can contact me direct. But you are a guest here. This is not a democracy. I reserve editorial rights. The lawyers will go after me, not you.
Leonard Neumann
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tperry2054
Member since Dec-23-03
284 posts Sep-24-04, 10:41 AM (CDT)
1. "RE: procedures"
In response to message #0
LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-04 AT 10:44 AM (CDT)
There goes the second post I've written to this forum on this subject. Where does one go for equal time? I suppose I could have written it and buried it in one of the other posts and it may have survived longer. I made it a separate post because I wanted it to be read. I wasn't looking for a consensus of opinion; I just wanted my opinion to be read. I insinuated nothing, and avoided the word "we". I wrote the message telling it like I see it. I get pretty tired of people giving their so-called opinion using the word "we". I wonder who the we represents? Is it the courtly we as used by monarchs, does the we mean me and my yes men and hangers on, does the we merely mean me and the frog in my pocket?
Like you said Leonard, your forum your rules. I can respect that and live with it, no choice really. I didn't really enjoy writing the message, and trust me I mulled it over for the last three days before posting it. I still believe it deserves a read. And before the deadline of the election. Not much chance of it now
I was sorry to see the lawyer cop-out there was nothing in the message that could not survive legal scrutiny.
Tom Perry
Note: edited to correct mis-spelling
Thanks for suffering through this.
Tight Lines,
Tom Perry
I wonder if it will survive the light of day here?
Here's the Message followed by a public message by Mr. Neuman and my response:
Very early this morning I posted a message in this forum subject was Vice Presidential Statement. I don't know why it has disappeared. I am repeating it verbatim just as I posted it previously.
Second try:
Mr. Fancher,
I’ve just complete reading your campaign statement, for about the 30th time or so, still find it as depressing as when I first read it. For the first column and first paragraph it is fine, Your bonafides certainly appear to be in order, no argument there. I know of nothing, up ‘til now that would keep me from voting for you in any office PAMPA has to offer.
Starting with the second column, second paragraph the remainder of your statement has to be the most condescending, patronizing, mean spirited, insincere garbage it has ever been my displeasure to read. The reason I consider it insincere is that I don’t consider you a stupid person. I know I don’t buy what you’re attempting to sell.
My impression is Mr. Brodak will never fit in to your “good ol’e boys club” no matter how he conducts himself. I guess I could have said mutual admiration society, but some how good ol’e boys seems to fit a little better. We can’t let this Brodak feller tell us anointed ones what to do, Yea you tell ‘em Bubba, teach ‘em to screw with usuns.
The disagreement between Mr. Brodak and Mr. Tiahrt seems to be one of the bones of contention that are getting a lot of press. Why? Am I to understand that two supposedly grown men can’t work it out between them. It seems to me that if enough people keep picking at a scab it will never heal and mean time it can cause nothing but irritation and suffering.
Mr. Brodak didn’t call a meeting of the Executive Council? Shame on him! Wait a minute… did anyone ask him to? Communication is a two way street. Can anyone of the whiners or complainers honestly say they have tried to help Mr. Brodak and PAMPA with out demanding he “suck up” or bow to the PAMPA elite?
I didn’t vote for Mr. Brodak, I don’t even know him. I might not even like him if I did know him. I didn’t vote for him because I joined PAMPA after the last election. I understand he won by a large margin. Is that the real problem, one of the anointed didn’t win? Could it possibly be that it is one of the "my ball my rules" or I’m gonna take it and go home? Do you feel as some have said that PAMPA has been hijacked? Do you think that the constant nit picking will solve anything? I don’t.
Mr. Brodak signs off with “Your Friend in CL” and you can sincerely find fault with that? Good lord that is really petty.
If enough people think stunt and sport Control Liners should form separate organizations, why not get it out in the open and talk about it instead of just continuing to be rude to one another? This contentious, internecine bickering certainly isn’t doing sport, stunt or Control Line in general any good.
Tight Lines,
Tom Perry
LNeumann
Charter Member
6015 posts Sep-24-04, 10:12 AM (CDT)
"procedures"
Just another comment for all in general. In trying to cool a certain issue I locked down certain topics, and, yes, deleted a few others. I try to run fair and balanced. I try to allow a lot of lee way in topics and discussions. But I also set rules. And I also reserve the right to delete, and to do so without question.
In the past I have had several people resurrect topics that I deleted. I had to delete them again. There are times I will contact people when doing so in order to explain to them why I am doing so. But if I delete a topic, I have done so for a reason. If you have a question as to the reason, you can contact me direct. But you are a guest here. This is not a democracy. I reserve editorial rights. The lawyers will go after me, not you.
Leonard Neumann
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tperry2054
Member since Dec-23-03
284 posts Sep-24-04, 10:41 AM (CDT)
1. "RE: procedures"
In response to message #0
LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-04 AT 10:44 AM (CDT)
There goes the second post I've written to this forum on this subject. Where does one go for equal time? I suppose I could have written it and buried it in one of the other posts and it may have survived longer. I made it a separate post because I wanted it to be read. I wasn't looking for a consensus of opinion; I just wanted my opinion to be read. I insinuated nothing, and avoided the word "we". I wrote the message telling it like I see it. I get pretty tired of people giving their so-called opinion using the word "we". I wonder who the we represents? Is it the courtly we as used by monarchs, does the we mean me and my yes men and hangers on, does the we merely mean me and the frog in my pocket?
Like you said Leonard, your forum your rules. I can respect that and live with it, no choice really. I didn't really enjoy writing the message, and trust me I mulled it over for the last three days before posting it. I still believe it deserves a read. And before the deadline of the election. Not much chance of it now
I was sorry to see the lawyer cop-out there was nothing in the message that could not survive legal scrutiny.
Tom Perry
Note: edited to correct mis-spelling
Thanks for suffering through this.
Tight Lines,
Tom Perry