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Post by jetmex on Aug 16, 2004 15:44:32 GMT -7
....any new useless trivia. That is what we do here, after all. So, come on and dig through your musty dusty archives and try to stump Galvin. It is possible, difficult, but possible.
Meantime, here's a few for you to chew on:
1. What does the "J" in the J-3 designation stand for?
2. Who was the youngest officer ever promoted to the rank of general?
3. Who was the highest scoring ace to fly the Brewster Buffalo?
4. Where is the APU located on a Boeing 727?
5. Name as many WWII era piston-engine fighters that scored kills AFTER WWII as you can. Extra points if you name the countries they flew for.
6. Name the largest aircraft flown from an aircraft carrier that was designed to do that.
7. What is/was a Tarzon bomb?
8. What aircraft holds the absolute altitude record for piston engine airplane?
9. What does the airport designation "ORD" stand for, and to what airport is it assigned?
10. What is a hylock?
Bonus--name the largest aircraft ever flown by remote control.
The clock is ticking and Dave stays up REAL late....... ;D
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Post by Dave Moffitt on Aug 16, 2004 22:20:55 GMT -7
I don't know the rest, but the bonus has to be a B24.
The ones used as flying bombs.
Dave Moffitt
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Post by Britbrat on Aug 17, 2004 4:55:07 GMT -7
1) J -- junior
5) Spitfire -- Israel, Sea Fury -- Britain (Mig 15 kill!), P-51 -- USA, S. Korea, Bf 109 -- Egypt, Yak 9-- N. Korea
6) P2V Neptune
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Post by Dave Moffitt on Aug 17, 2004 6:33:33 GMT -7
Question 5... Mustangs and Hawker Sea Furies flying for Cuba  ? Not really WW2 but an Aussie Sea Fury ( lightened-down Tempest ) shot down a Mig-15 in Korea.... Also P47's flying for Che Gevuaria Not sure of the country....... |
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Post by RetNavySuppo on Aug 17, 2004 10:45:33 GMT -7
3. I don't know his name but I believe he was a Finnish pilot.
6. This is easy. It is the Douglas A3D Skywarrior.
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Post by Wayne on Aug 17, 2004 18:26:35 GMT -7
6) the F-111B
8) It aint the Exxon Tiger!
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Post by Wagon1 on Aug 18, 2004 15:34:48 GMT -7
6. The C-130 was the largest, but I agree with Navy. The All Three Dead was the biggest designed to go aboard.
Bonus. I think it was the 707
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Post by Wayne on Aug 18, 2004 19:38:03 GMT -7
The gross weight of the A3D was 82,000 lbs...the 111B grossed at 100,000...
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Post by jetmex on Aug 19, 2004 8:09:03 GMT -7
That's more like it...... ;D
Patrick, no on #1.
#3 -- said pilot is Finnish. What's his name?
Have a bunch of good answers on #5, all correct.
#6 -- I was looking for the A3D, mainly since the F-111 was originally designed for the USAF and never made it to Navy service. RNS gets that one.
There's a lot of questions left......
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Post by Wayne on Aug 19, 2004 9:47:02 GMT -7
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Post by RetNavySuppo on Aug 19, 2004 12:22:39 GMT -7
"Reedum and Weepe" Gee, those guys certainly get around. They were the guys who taught me how to play poker!  |
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Post by jetmex on Aug 19, 2004 12:51:00 GMT -7
Ah, but it wasn't. It was MODIFIED for Navy use under the MacNamara doctrine of "we can make one airplane that everyone can use". The original requirement for the airplane was an Air Force one. "Both the USAF and the Navy agreed that the use of variable-geometry wings would be a good idea. However, on just almost everything else, they differed substantially. The Navy favored side-by-side seating for its FAD fighter, whereas the Air Force preferred tandem seating. The Navy wanted an aircraft equipped with a long-range search and intercept radar having a dish 48 inches in diameter, whereas the Air Force needed an aircraft equipped with a terrain-following radar optimized for low-altitude operations. The Navy wanted an aircraft that was optimized for long loiter times at medium to high altitudes at subsonic speeds, whereas the Air Force insisted on an aircraft capable of low-altitude operations and supersonic dash performance. Undaunted, Secretary McNamara pressed forward with the project and directed that the Air Force would be the lead service for the development of a common TFX aircraft." Engines: Two Pratt & Whitney TF30-P-1 turbofans, 12,000 lb.s.t. dry and 18,500 lb.s.t. with afterburning. Later, two TF30-P-12 turbofans, rated at 12,290 lb.s.t. dry and 20,250 lb.s.t. with afterburning were fitted. Performance: Maximum speed 1450 mph at 40,000 feet, 780 mph at sea level. Initial climb rate: 21,300 feet per minute. Service ceiling 44,900 feet. Normal range 1092 miles. Maximum range 3178 miles. Weights: 46,500 pounds empty, 72,421 pounds loaded, 86,563 pounds maximum takeoff. Dimensions: wingspan 70 feet 0 inches (maximum) and 33 feet 11 inches (minimum), length 68 feet 10 inches, height 16 feet 8 inches, wing area 550 square feet. Armament: Armed with six Hughes AIM-54A Phoenix air-to-air missiles, four underneath the wings and two inside the fuselage weapons bay. In addition, a 20-mm M61A1 cannon could be fitted The reverse occurred with the A-3 (and the F-4 Phantom for that matter) which were both adopted by the USAF after they entered Navy service. Let the interservice rivalry discussions begin....  |
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Post by Wayne on Aug 19, 2004 23:08:24 GMT -7
au contraire mon ami, ...the B was designed specifically for the Navy (as the A was designed specifically for the Air Force) Besides, the question only asked for the largest aircraft designed and flown from a carrier. The 111B was clearly designed to operate from a carrier...  |
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Post by bp4rc on Aug 20, 2004 2:44:45 GMT -7
Gee, is everybody sleeping on #8?
The B-29 holds the piston engined altitude record.
Bedford
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Post by buckwill on Aug 20, 2004 7:00:56 GMT -7
altitaude record, stands since 1936 capronii with 56000, unless bruce bohannonn broke it with exxon sspnonsered rv somesting, broke it,buck
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Post by buckwill on Aug 20, 2004 7:14:03 GMT -7
would the brewsssster ace be Hasse
wind??
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Post by jetmex on Aug 20, 2004 10:20:15 GMT -7
Picky picky picky. Ok, the A-3 is the answer I really wanted and the F-111 (the 100,000 lb airplane was the Air Force machine, BTW) will be listed as the one that didn't make it!
BP gets #8--in 1947, a B-29 set the altitude record for piston engine airplanes at just over 47,000 feet.
Buck got #3--Hans Wind shot down 75 German and Russian aircraft, 39 of those while flying the Buffalo. Probably amazed the hell out of the Brit and American pilots who flew the Brewster!!
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Post by Britbrat on Aug 20, 2004 11:16:09 GMT -7
My hat is off to the Brewster ace -- he had to be a superlative pilot & tactician.
WRT the altitude record -- it may be true that 47,000 is the official record, but there were WWII aircraft that exceeded that in operations -- just no actual record attempt was made. Post war, there was little interest in record setting with piston planes.
For example PRU Spitfires operated above that height during & after the war. In the late 40's they were still in service & they were too high & fast to be intercepted one-on-one by the new vampire jets.
I'm sure that there were other piston A/C that also exceeded 47,000 ft, but not in record attempts.
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Post by Galvin on Aug 20, 2004 23:13:17 GMT -7
1. What does the "J" in the J-3 designation stand for?
Popular fiction has it that the J stands for Walter Jamouneau, the young engineer hired by C.G. Taylor, the designer of the Taylor Cub. At the behest of Taylor, Jamoneau took E-2 Cub serial number 500 and modified into an enclosed cabin airplane which, aside from a different vertical fin, became the prototype of all subsequent J-2 and later J-3 Cubs. He did this during a time when Taylor was off due to illness and was urged on by Bill Piper, who at the time was half owner of Taylor Aircraft. When Taylor returned and saw what Jamouneau had done he fired him and the two other engineers who had helped on the project. They had apparently far exceeded their mandate in Tayor's eyes.
A showdown with Piper ensued and Taylor, being basically broke, was forced to sell his half of the company to Piper. The engineers were rehired and Jamouneau became Chief Engineer for Piper Aircraft.
The J in J-2 and J-3 was not in honor of him, however. The aircraft had been originally modified from a Taylor E-2 but there had been 33 F-2s, and one G-2 which, re-engined, became the H-2 that were built in the meantime. The letter "I" was skipped so as not to be confused with the number 1 so the modified E-2 then logically became the J-2 just because that was up to where the series had progressed by then.
C.G. Taylor later started Taylorcraft.
2. Who was the youngest officer ever promoted to the rank of general?
If we are talking U.S. Generals it was Douglas MacArthur, raised to Brigadier General in Jan. 1925 at the age of 45.
3. Who was the highest scoring ace to fly the Brewster Buffalo?
Wind was indeed the guy. BTW: The airplanes sent to Finland were called export model 239s but were in reality F2A-1s diverted from a U.S. Navy order. Without the weight of the hook and life raft, as well as other items (I have heard that some were delivered without radios) they were better performers than they would have otherwise been. It is not generally appreciated that the original Brewster F2A was a better performing airplane than the Wildcat that replaced it eventually and was pretty well liked.
The later USN F2A-3 and corresponding export versions, the 339, etc., were all about a ton heavier and had the engine mounts lengthened to move the CG forward. This really screwed up the operating characteristics of the airplane compared to the first version and these diferences, combined with Brewster's almost total ineptitude in building airplanes, hastened its departure from grace in the eyes of the War Department.
4. Where is the APU located on a Boeing 727?
The Garrett model 85 APU was one of the things that made the Boeing 727 a truly autonomous airplane. Where the 707 had revolutionized air travel, it still had to be met by a virtual army of specialized people and equipment. The Garrett APU along with the amazing number of high lift leading and trailing edge devices combined with an integral set of airstars in the tail made the 727 able to literally go into airports having little else other than a windsock and a cow.
Since the design was nearly finalized by the time Garrett offered the APU to Boeing, the location of the unit in through the keel beam dividing the main wheel wells was truly an afterthought. The cargo bays were considered but would have required a bulky cooling system in addition to using up cargo space. The APU's location in the wheel well was the main reason it could not be started in flight...although I once inadvertently proved that once running it would continue to do so even past 25000' MSL.
5. Name as many WWII era piston-engine fighters that scored kills AFTER WWII as you can. Extra points if you name the countries they flew for.
Among the very last kills scored by piston engined fighters were a Nationalist Chinese PB4Y-2 Privateer supplying Burmese insurgents, shot down by Burmese Sea Furies in the early sixties, as well as Honduran Mustangs and Salvadorian Corsairs that were lost when the two countries slugged it out during the "Soccer War" of the mid sixties.
6. Name the largest aircraft flown from an aircraft carrier that was designed to do that.
It definitely was the F-111B because the original concept called for both an Air Force and Navy version of the same design, much the same way that the lightweight fighter program of the seventies stipulated that an Air Force and Navy version of the winner would be made. The Navy only agreed to it under protest and because they were fairly certain that the Northrup F-17 would win.
The GD F-16 won the LWF competition however, so the Navy immediately backed out of the deal. They did not want to buy any more single engined aircraft for use in carrier operations so they developed the F-17 into a slightly larger aircraft more suited to their needs. Since McDonnell was the subcontractor to Northrup for the Navy version of the original F-17, they got to develop and build the resulting F-18. Northrup built rear fuselages for a while but basically got screwed, as did Ling Temco Vought, the original subs for the F-16 navalized version that the Navy refused to buy.
Turns out that the F-17 never really had a chance with the Air Force either. It was arguably at least as good as the F-16, if not better, but the F-16 had an ace up its sleeve.
It used the same Pratt and Whitney F-100 PW-100 engine as the ones in the F-15 and the Air Force was just beginning to realize that the engine had SERIOUS problems which were going to require a lot of money to fix. Not wishing to make this public, especially so soon after the Lockheed C-5 cost overrun scandals ($700.00 hammers, incredibly costly toilet seats, wing spar forging cracks in brand new aircraft, etc.), General Dynamics convinced the Air Force that they could hide the cost of redeveloping the P&W F-100 engine in the F-16 program and thereby fix the F-15 program as well. And that they did.
7. What is/was a Tarzon bomb?
The original Razon guided bomb used a set of pneumatically actuated tail fins to make a British designed "Tallboy" 12500 Lb bomb into one of the first ever smart bombs. The word "Razon" came from the words "RAnge and AZimuth ONly", an indication of the type of control possible. The later development of the bomb had electrically operated controls and was called Tarzon, which stood for "TAllboy Range and aZimuth ONly".
8. What aircraft holds the absolute altitude record for piston engine airplane?
I think Buck is right about the Caproni. It was also a biplane as I recall.
9. What does the airport designation "ORD" stand for, and to what airport is it assigned?
It now stands for O'Hare international in Chicago but long before O'Hare was built there was a little airport on the site called Orchard Park or Orchard something or other, hence the ORD.
10. What is a hylock?
I seem to recall it is a type of high strength fastener requiring a specialized installation tool.
Bonus--name the largest aircraft ever flown by remote control.
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Post by Britbrat on Aug 21, 2004 2:39:39 GMT -7
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I can reccommend an excellent proof reading service: Reedum and Weepe. 
